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<p>meeting in 8 minutes...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208357702" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208357702">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:30)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="2907">@T-release</span> meeting!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208357998" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208357998">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>Okay, let's get started. We have no nominated issues for today, but several items on the agenda.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208358058" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208358058">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
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<li><code>cargo update</code> in rust-lang/rust<br>
    - Good to do right after a release for maximal testing time in nightly<br>
    - Currently not often done by Pietro and I, I suspect both due to lack of motivation and time<br>
    - Maybe someone would be willing to step up to run this? It ideally does need a “Trusted Person” because of the faithfulness of representation of the changes in the dependencies bumped:<br>
        - Probably some sort of policy should be written up for “what makes sufficient code review?”<br>
        - Is anyone willing to champion that work?<br>
        - Should this even be t-release responsibility?</li>
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<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="121055">@Pietro Albini</span> -- I presume you didn't do the last step on release process today, right? (i.e., cargo update)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208358271" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> BatmanAoD (Kyle Strand) <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208358271">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>"what makes sufficient code review" for Rust itself? Should that be a compiler team decision?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208358352" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208358352">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>Perhaps, yeah, I'm not sure. Basically -- we are updating or adding foreign crates, what sort of vetting do we expect?</p>



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<p>It certainly seems like a T-compiler decision.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208358412" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208358412">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:35)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> nope</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208358429" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> BatmanAoD (Kyle Strand) <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208358429">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>Oh, that kind of code review. I thought it was something about PRs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208358496" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208358496">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think that's kinda the compiler team's responsibility?</p>



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<p>I am leaning towards saying that we should strike this from T-release responsibility, and I can bring it up with compiler team as something that they should figure out how to do (both process and review etc)</p>



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<p>Is anyone opposed to that?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208358633" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208358633">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>I didn't even realize this was on our list. It's a compiler implementation detail.</p>



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<p>Yeah, it was historically on the release process as an action item for fridays</p>



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<p>Though we've not done it for many releases now</p>



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<p>Okay, sounds like there is no opposition so I'll follow up on this</p>



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<p>The next item on the agenda:</p>
<ul>
<li>Objections to removing regression-from-stable-to-* in favor of regression-in-1.x labels?<br>
    - We would likely want to add a bunch of labels into the future now<br>
    - It seems like we constantly need to think about how to switch labels after a release, and what they mean.<br>
    - We could also re-compute the regression-from-stable-to-xxx labels via triagebot (or other automation) after releases and when adding a regression-in-1.x label<br>
    - Mark can gather consensus from T-compiler (likely mostly WG-prioritization) as well, if we think this is good</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208358959" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jonas Schievink  [he/him] <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208358959">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>When would these labels be removed again?</p>



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<p>I think "replacing" is the better word</p>



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<p>As <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="121055">@Pietro Albini</span> discovered with this release cycle we often have leftover regression-from-stable-to-beta that are actually stable/stable</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208359098" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208359098">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>so, I think having a <code>to-beta</code> and  <code>to-nightly</code> is useful</p>



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<p>yeah, that's why I have the "recompute dynamically" item</p>



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<p>(though that could be done with just links that choose the right version for the current date, I guess)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208359175" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208359175">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>a thing we could do is add the appropriate milestone as soon as a regression- label is added</p>



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<p>my worry is that if we only look at regression-from-stable-to-beta, for example, we could miss an issue tagged -to-nightly because it's associated with the wrong release</p>



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<p>I would not be opposed to attaching milestones</p>



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<p>(they might be a better feature here)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208359300" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208359300">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>then every time a git tag is pushed triagebot goes through all the issues and reapplies the to-{stable,beta,nightly} labels</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208359356" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208359356">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>seems reasonable, though not sure about the trigger</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208359388" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208359388">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>it can also be a daily cron, or whatever</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208359410" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208359410">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>what's easier on the impl side, as long as it runs after the release</p>



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<p>I do like that milestones are sort of transparent to any existing searches</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208359510" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208359510">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>Okay, I will explore milestones.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208359511" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208359511">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>(that's why I suggested git tags, it happens exactly at the right moment, and triagebot already receives an hook for it)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208359639" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208359639">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>I also wanted to bring up -- how do people feel about triagebot automatically attaching a milestone to every merged PR with the release it merges into, with the assumption that beta (or stable) backports would update those milestones after merging?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208359669" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208359669">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>I believe <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219696">@XAMPPRocky</span> has asked for something like this in the past for relnotes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208359738" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208359738">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>it needs to be careful around stable/beta promotion</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208359822" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208359822">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think it should just work, but we can dig into the details offline -- do you think it's a bad idea in general though?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208359895" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208359895">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh that's great</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208360048" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208360048">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm kinda wondering about solving the issue of "a PR fixing a nightly regression was merged after the beta cutoff, so we forgot to backport it"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208360127" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208360127">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>but that's even more stuff thrown in, so we can do it next time if you feel you already have a lot of impl work to do :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208360167" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208360167">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>I love the idea -- I often end up digging up PR merge commit IDs so I can figure out which branch/tags contain it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208360306" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208360306">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>I <em>think</em> with the milestoning it should be possible, in theory, to build a search query into triagebot that says "regression" + closed by PR X, milestoned differently from the issue</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208360384" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208360384">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay -- that's all I had. Does anyone have something to bring up?</p>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> await</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208360387" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208360387">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to add on this topic, or should we move on?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if we should move on.</p>



<a name="208360551"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208360551" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208360551">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>the idea I had was for triagebot to go through all the regressions issues, follow all the links to the PRs, and post a comment "hey this seems like a regression fix (it was mentioned in a regression issue), but the {beta,stable} cutoff happened. automatically applying the {beta,stable}-nominated label"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208360626" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208360626">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>/end</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208360645" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208360645">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah that wouldn't be too hard once we had the search query :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208360712" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208360712">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>also, I'm going to have a PR up updating the list of reviewers on thanks soon</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208360724" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208360724">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>(had some time to pass while waiting for the release to be done)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208360730" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208360730">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>I've been meaning to get around to that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208360734" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208360734">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>(we should somehow automate it)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208360757" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208360757">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me wants bors to accept gh usernames rather than opaque strings</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208360798" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208360798">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p><em>YES</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208360857" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208360857">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>but, anyway. That's a t-infra question I guess :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208360896" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208360896">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay, sounds like that's it for today -- let's do one more round of <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> await for meeting end</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208360900" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208360900">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>soon = now <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/thanks/pull/24">https://github.com/rust-lang/thanks/pull/24</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208360901" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208360901">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to add on this topic, or should we move on?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if we should move on.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208361013" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208361013">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay, thanks all! see you around</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208361027" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208361027">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>\o</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208361911" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208361911">(Aug 28 2020 at 16:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I have a procedure question - <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/75953">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/75953</a> is marked as <code>beta-accepted</code>, when do backports happen? 'in three weeks' is fine, I just want to make sure it's not lost</p>



<a name="208362019"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208362019" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jonas Schievink  [he/him] <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208362019">(Aug 28 2020 at 16:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>it needs to remain <code>beta-nominated</code> or it will not be backported</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208362079" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208362079">(Aug 28 2020 at 16:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>we look for nominated+accepted, then remove nominated after it's done</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208362080" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208362080">(Aug 28 2020 at 16:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's good to know <span aria-label="sweat smile" class="emoji emoji-1f605" role="img" title="sweat smile">:sweat_smile:</span> changed it back</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208362181" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208362181">(Aug 28 2020 at 16:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>is there documentation for this somewhere?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208362226" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208362226">(Aug 28 2020 at 16:04)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="232545">@Joshua Nelson</span> <a href="https://forge.rust-lang.org/release/beta-backporting.html">https://forge.rust-lang.org/release/beta-backporting.html</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208362379" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208362379">(Aug 28 2020 at 16:06)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>So now somebody needs to go through those PR's and cherry-pick their commits to the beta branch. </p>
</blockquote>
<p>is there a timeline for that?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208362403" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208362403">(Aug 28 2020 at 16:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't mean to be pushy, sorry, just curious</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208362424" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208362424">(Aug 28 2020 at 16:06)</a>:</h4>
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<p>Anybody can make these PRs!</p>
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<p>so if you're motivated to see a particular change land, feel free. it's nice if you also pull others while you do that.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208362468" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208362468">(Aug 28 2020 at 16:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>got it, will do :) thanks!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2008%2028/near/208363381" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2008.2028.html#208363381">(Aug 28 2020 at 16:14)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/76032">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/76032</a> :)</p>



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